Post by Michael Wilbur-Ham on May 3, 2013 11:04:47 GMT 10
This thread is the thread that will hopefully make a difference. This thread is for those who:
* accept the big picture of climate change as presented by the IPCC, Stern and Garnaut (see this thread),
* accept that it is technically possible for Australia to reduce its emissions from stationary energy supplies by close to 80% by 2050, and that the likely costs of 100% renewable systems is between $100 and $170/MWh (see this thread), and
* think that the best policy is to mmediately start the significant work towards moving towards zero emissions for our stationary energy (see this thread).
Most of those writing against this policy in the comments section of The Conversation will never change their minds based on what those who support the policy write. So focussing our energy on rebutting the other side only gives an illusion of progress.
For progress we need to determine how to get this policy to happen. So the big questions, to be discussed here, are:
* What is the chance of getting the current government to implement this policy with the degree of urgency needed to make it happen?
* If there is a way of getting them to do this what is this?
* If there is little chance of getting the current government to implement the policy we should still lobby them to do so, but I think we should devote most of our energies to any alternative which may lead to progress. If sitting back and thinking 'I wish Labor would do the right thing' is not going to achieve anything what else can we do?
* My view is that the only way Labor (and Liberal) are likely to take climate change action seriously is if they start to loose votes. It is not unreasonable for them to think that if they go to an election promising to do minimal actions on climate change, and they win government, that the people have decided that minimal action is what they want. So voting Labor or Liberal is voting for the opposite of this policy (which may be the right thing for you to do if you think many other issues are more important).
* At the moment the Greens are the only party who support this policy, so, to me, the most effective action anyone can take is to vote Green and to urge their friends, etc, to do the same. (I don't think action would happen by the Greens becoming government. Instead Labor would change its policy to win back those who voted Green - and so voting Green is mainly a strategy to get Labor to do the right thing.)
If you agree with my action plan then please post and lets work out how we might get more people onboard.
If you have an alternative action plan please post it. I really am fighting for policy outcomes and I want this policy to happen.
We agree on the policy - how are we going to get this to happen?
PS - You can read about and then discuss my use of Mindful in this thread and you can read about why I've split discussions into Facts, Policy, and Action and provide your feedback on this concept in this thread.
* accept the big picture of climate change as presented by the IPCC, Stern and Garnaut (see this thread),
* accept that it is technically possible for Australia to reduce its emissions from stationary energy supplies by close to 80% by 2050, and that the likely costs of 100% renewable systems is between $100 and $170/MWh (see this thread), and
* think that the best policy is to mmediately start the significant work towards moving towards zero emissions for our stationary energy (see this thread).
Most of those writing against this policy in the comments section of The Conversation will never change their minds based on what those who support the policy write. So focussing our energy on rebutting the other side only gives an illusion of progress.
For progress we need to determine how to get this policy to happen. So the big questions, to be discussed here, are:
* What is the chance of getting the current government to implement this policy with the degree of urgency needed to make it happen?
* If there is a way of getting them to do this what is this?
* If there is little chance of getting the current government to implement the policy we should still lobby them to do so, but I think we should devote most of our energies to any alternative which may lead to progress. If sitting back and thinking 'I wish Labor would do the right thing' is not going to achieve anything what else can we do?
* My view is that the only way Labor (and Liberal) are likely to take climate change action seriously is if they start to loose votes. It is not unreasonable for them to think that if they go to an election promising to do minimal actions on climate change, and they win government, that the people have decided that minimal action is what they want. So voting Labor or Liberal is voting for the opposite of this policy (which may be the right thing for you to do if you think many other issues are more important).
* At the moment the Greens are the only party who support this policy, so, to me, the most effective action anyone can take is to vote Green and to urge their friends, etc, to do the same. (I don't think action would happen by the Greens becoming government. Instead Labor would change its policy to win back those who voted Green - and so voting Green is mainly a strategy to get Labor to do the right thing.)
If you agree with my action plan then please post and lets work out how we might get more people onboard.
If you have an alternative action plan please post it. I really am fighting for policy outcomes and I want this policy to happen.
We agree on the policy - how are we going to get this to happen?
PS - You can read about and then discuss my use of Mindful in this thread and you can read about why I've split discussions into Facts, Policy, and Action and provide your feedback on this concept in this thread.
